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Europe

Objectives
1) To meet our brothers and sisters in Christ to learn
how we may better pray for them and serve with them in the future.
2) To serve the congregations and the Liverpool City
Mission.
3) To be educated and concerned by the declining
evangelical influence in the U.K.

To the left is a picture of the new church building in Birkenhead (1992).
The original building and ministry began in the 1930's and survived the
heavy bombing of the Luftwaffe during World War II.
Below are excerpts from pastor ken's blog (
web.mac.com/servelovepray )
before, during, and after their journey to the UK...
church and mission in a strange world (March 2, 2007)
(Some of the following
information is summarized from the book Exiles: Living
Missionally in a Post-Christian Culture, by Michael
Frost. Special Thanks to Zach Langford for bringing it to
my attention.)
In the book,
Post-Christendom: Church and Mission in a Strange New
World (2004), author Stuart Murray writes about the
decline of the church in the United Kingdom, “the
Methodist Church will have zero membership by 2037…the
Church of Scotland will close its last congregation in
2033…the Church in Wales will be unsustainable by
2020.” By such numbers, Murray indicates that the
United Kingdom is in the grip of post-Christendom which
he defines as follows: “Post-Christendom is the culture
that emerges as the Christian faith loses coherence
within a society that has been definitively shaped by
the Christian story, and as the institutions that have
been developed to express Christian convictions decline
in influence.”
One
of the five Church of God congregations will be closing
down this year. One is a new congregation beginning out
of a home Bible study in London. The Church in the United
Kingdom is definitely at a crossroads.
Is America too far behind? George
Barna reports that only 13 % of adults and 7% of teens
make decisions based on Biblical principles (The Barna
Update, February 2006, “Americans Are Most Likely to Base
Truth on Feelings”). Dan Kimball, in his book Emerging
Worship, states that there is a growing restless with
the increasing reality that the majority of our churches
are 35 years and older, while asking where have the
younger generations gone?
Our Church’s Vision has been
“Touching the World for Christ;” to accomplish this, we
want to be in partnership with a nation on every continent
by 2010. Working with and learning from the congregations
in the United Kingdom help us not only create partnerships
to Europe, but could help us increase our ministry
effectiveness within the U.S. as well.
in anticipation (July 10, 2007)
while writing our regular
e-newsletter to family and friends, in my excitement about
our upcoming trip, i wrote the following...
the 6 of us leave a week from
Friday! I’m very excited! We came to this little
congregation four years ago with the goal of helping make
their mission of “... to Glorify God by Touching the World
for Christ” a reality. In that time, we’ve watched our
connection with the church in North America grow: we’ve
begun financial, prayer, and personal relationships with
South America and the Caribbean through Guyana; we’ve seen
prayer and financial relationships begun with the South
Pacific through the congregation in Auckland, New Zealand
until we can personally meet with them hopefully in the
next 18 months; and now, we’re on the brink of beginning
relationships with the churches in the United Kingdom and
with a sister who will join us from Germany! The Lord is
amazing in His providence and power to accomplish “more
than we could ask or imagine” all for His Glory. It is
also very humbling—stepping off the plane with these young
men and women next weekend in London will be a holy moment
for me. Please pray for our continued preparation, safety
in travel, and for the Lord’s favor as we meet with,
learn, and begin ministry partnerships in the U.K.
reflections on
Guyana
(July 10, 2007)
as we continue to prepare
for our trip to the UK, our thoughts and prayers continue
for our brothers and sisters in Guyana. next week, July
16-22 the our brothers and sisters in Guyana will
celebrate their 90th Anniversary of the Church of God
ministering there.
what a blessing it has been to
reestablish relationship with this part of God’s family. i
grew up hearing my mother and her parents share the
culture of the Guyanese with me--from extreme hospitality
and gratitude to a dedicated work ethic. i also grew up
with the legacy of a father, uncles and their parents
ministering in Guyana during their time of revolution. to
return and enter into relationship again with the churches
there is another demonstration of the Lord’s faithfulness
to complete what He starts.
we celebrate with our brothers and
sisters in Guyana and we will continue to bless the Lord
for what He has done, is doing, and will do within and
through the brothers and sisters there. Praise the Lord
for 90 years of fruitfulness -- Praise the Lord for the
harvest that will continue until He returns!
uk anticipation
(July 20, 2007)
we made it safely to the
airport -- no traffic problems on our early start. once
we parked the van, it began a cold rain. we felt that was
our preparation for the cold and rain we will soon
experience in the UK. this video clip is just a silly
little start to break the boredom after being informed our
first flight will be delayed at least 15 minutes.
thankfully, we’ve got another layover coming in
Detroit...
on the way to
Birkenhead
(July 21, 2007)
after a bite to eat, we
find ourselves within 3 hours of our destination. the
minibus we’re riding in is much more spacious than the
ones we shared in Guyana and Barbados. we wanted to give
you a glimpse of our journey from the view of the 2nd
seat.
we're here!
(July 21, 2007)
we were blessed with
safety in our drive and our two flights. we were blessed
with efficiency at check-in’s and at immigration. our
only delay was a mild traffic jam after leaving the
airport -- though most of us were fast asleep by then. we
had been up for many hours, with little sleep on the
plane. the plane was amazingly nice, and afforded us each
with our own private movie and video game consoles to keep
us entertained. i tried to sleep as much as i could, but
didn’t succeed.
i did get to begin a new book i
picked up at Anderson Campmeeting, though. the book is
called, “The Irresistible Revolution: Living as an
Ordinary Radical” by Shane Claiborne -- it is recommended
reading for incoming freshman at Anderson University this
year and contains a forward by Campmeeting speaker Jim
Wallis (of Sojourners). the rumbling movement of fresh
wind that Shane speaks of sweeping through his own life
the Church was a gentle, disturbing breeze in my days at
Anderson. such desire and passion for the Body of Christ
to rise up and be the Church still burn within me and fuel
the leading of 6th Ave and this impossible vision of
Touching the World for Christ. it was such a joy to
finally embrace Pastor John Pemberton at the airport, our
newest partner in what we don’t yet fully understand, but
what we’re certain the Lord Himself is orchestrating.
we arrived to the Barnstondale
Centre at 5:30 p.m. local time (11:30 to us). we’ve been
traveling for far too long. the Centre is beautifully
landscaped and the buildings are picturesque in this rural
English landscape. we were shown to our spacious rooms
and our “water rooms” (combination shower, sink & toilet
in a tiled room) -- Ruth & Carol prepared our pot pies,
chips (french fries), buttered bread, peaches & ice cream
-- and our tea. thankfully it stopped raining shortly
after our arrival and the sun peaking through the clouds
allowed us the opportunity to explore our new surroundings
-- even though we could see our breath as we walked
through the cool July evening.
Praise the Lord for His provision
and the mission for which we’ve been sent -- Lord find us
faithful to your still small voice as we offer our
service, love, and prayers all for Your Glory!
Barnstondale
Centre
(July 21, 2007)
here’s a quick view
around our side of the Barnstondale campus where we’re
staying for our first 7 days -- had to take this quickly
before it began raining again!
Our English Family
(July 22, 2007)
once we got to bed, we
all enjoyed a much needed first night’s rest here in
Barnstondale. we awoke to more hooting owls, and
marvelous sunshine-in fact, there was very little rain
again today! we went to breakfast where we began with
tea, cereal, and “wheatabrix” (cereal bars) -- we were
pleased with the selection and began to eat gladly--we
were surprised when the “canopy” opened and had Ruth
offering us helpings of toast, “bacon,” sausages, and
baked beans (all parts of “a good English Breakfast”)!
Once Brother John came to pick us up
for worship, he began telling me on the drive what he had
envisioned for the morning--”a congregational song, i
introduce you, you introduce the team, a couple share, you
share your vision, a song from Andrew, i’ll take back over
until i turn it over to you for the message” -- SURPRISE!
i didn’t know i was speaking today -- no matter, be
prepared in season and out -- so i shared about getting
involved just as our heavenly
Father has so wonderfully done for us.
we finished the service and a tea
cart was rolled out for the congregation to share in a
time of fellowship over tea, cakes, and “fingers.” we
paused for several pictures before loading up the minibus
and heading to the “manse” (parsonage) for a birthday
fellowship we had been invited to join. two ladies from
the congregation, Denise and Jan, share a birthday on
Tuesday. we gathered in the home to busy ladies preparing
what Church of God families have done for generations --
the carry-in dinner. we ate so much, and were offered so
much more we thought we were going to burst. we also sat,
stood, and leaned anywhere we could to join in the
conversation and laughter that filled the home. we shared
tragic pasts with glorious testimonies, as well as the
random and hilarious that happen when family gets together
-- and that’s what it felt like, family. we were so
comfortable, even as we corrected each other’s
misconceptions and tried to understand what the other was
trying to ask or explain, we were at home together.
Praise be to God--from the many He has created one
through His Son Jesus Christ.
after several hours of laughter, cup
after cup of tea, and love, we took a short drive around
town to view Birkenhead--we returned in time for the
evening meal -- roast, potatoes, carrots, “mushy peas”
(think mashed potatoes, only peas), bread, rice
pudding--and of course, tea. we ate as much as we
possibly could before finding the lounge. it was good
timing for me to see the end of the British Open, as well
as giving us all comfortable chairs for a power nap -- but
it’s now 9 p.m.! we’re settling down now to get ready for
bed--tomorrow it’s off to the country of Wales.
Wales
(July 23, 2007)
Today, we traveled south
of Wirral into the country of Wales. Thankfully, they
still speak and use English, though keeping the Welsh
tradition is strong and was beside or beneath every
English sign -- learning how to speak names like
“Llanfairpwllgwngyll” (an actual town in Wales)! Their
unique double consonant system was quite a challenge to
say the least.
The
country was simply amazing -- we likened it to a whole
country of Gatlinburg, TN. Crowded little streets weaving
through various styles of old-style, European architecture
tucked away in the midst of beautiful country--Brother
John quoted the psalmist as we drove up to an overlook of
the Snowdon mountain (2nd highest in the U.K.), “the fool
says in his heart, ‘there is no God.’”
We didn’t imagine seeing a lot of
castles on our trip -- but we saw many once we came toward
the coast (the pictures represent a few). Though we were
very cold in the morning, as we descended toward the
coast, the sun came out and warmed everything up quite
nicely -- praise the Lord for the glorious weather and
wonders we are able to see as we continue to spend time
getting to know Brother John, his wife Linda and their
friend Christina (from Germany).
Tomorrow, we travel north toward
Scotland, though not into Scotland--we will be in the Lake
District where workers from the Liverpool City Mission are
hosting a kids camp. We will spend the morning and lunch
getting to know them and observe their ministry before
seeing more of the country.
The Lake District
(July 24, 2007)
the Liverpool City
Mission has most of their services suspended this week
because of a kids camp they’re hosting for the children of
the 6 churches the mission serves or is serviced by. so
John took us to the Lake District today to be able to
interact with some of their staff, as well as to see the
beautiful part of the country.
the lake district has, as its name
would suggest, several large lakes surrounded by many
majestic mountains -- the kind of thing that makes you
want to jump out of the car and join in Julie Andrew’s
chorus to the Sound of Music!
it really was a delight, just
“lovely,” to meet and interact with the children -- we
were inspired in our brief interactions with the staff.
50 children and many adults enjoyed a rustic English farm
for archery, mini-golf, rock-climbing, kayaking, tree
climbing, and many more wonderful activities while
exposing some of these children to the Gospel alive in the
staff members lives.
we met Dave who moved with his wife
and family from Florida in 2005 to pastor one of the
Liverpool congregations. Paul, a former policeman, who
now works with many of the programs. “Cozee,” a former
gangster with a big heart that drives the ministry to the
street people--i was inspired in hearing his vision and
sharing stories, and an honor to pray with him and for the
harvest he works so hard to bring into the Kingdom. after
a long gorgeous day, we were able to drive through the
Liverpool city streets giving us a glimpse of some of the
interaction we’ll have tomorrow.
after lunch and looking around the
camp, it was off to Windermere -- the most beautiful
lakeside vacation get-away. shops and activities from
mini-golf, tennis, kayaking, day cruises, fishing, feeding
swans and ducks, a pitch & putt course, along with hiking
and breathtaking views. we ate dinner in the minibus as
the ferry pulled as across the lake and onto the narrow
country lanes that eventually led us back to Liverpool and
Birkenhead.
Birkenhead/Liverpool
(July 25, 2007)
today began as we
expected all of our days to be--cold, wet, and rainy --
though the rain was but a strong mist. by the time we
were picked up and arrived at the Thompson City Mission,
the mist gave way and the clouds broke to reveal yet
another beautiful day here. (i spoke with Keli and i know
that all are worried about the flooding here in the United
Kingdom--but take heart that we’re safe, very dry and much
removed from the natural disasters plaguing some of the
Brit’s these days).
Thompson
City Mission was founded in the late 1800’s and has
faithfully served in the Birkenhead area since that time,
mainly in the exact same location, with nearly the same
building as we viewed today. Charles Thompson began the
ministry to serve poor children, and his daughter Annie
carried on his work after his death in the early 1900’s
and into the 1960’s until her death. Pastor John, our
host, contributes to this mission that came under the
umbrella of the Liverpool City Mission organization a
number of years ago.
The mission continues to serve and
bless many in need today--food and clothing are the main
services provided along side the living and spoken Gospel
presentations of the volunteers and staff. As there is
need, the mission is also stocked and prepared to give
needed furniture and basics for anyone getting onto their
feet. It was a joy again to hear and see the heart of the
staff, particularly pastor Rob who we were able to pray
with and encourage today.
We went from the old mission, under
the River Mersey and into Liverpool -- a city in
preparation to host the large, international and lucrative
European Capital of Culture event next summer. Despite
all the construction and renovation projects, we were able
to see much of the city as we drove to the Liverpool
Cathedral. This massive structure was begun in the early
1900’s and finished in the 1970’s -- though new in light
of history, the old-style architecture, stain glass, and
Anglican traditions were striking and made you feel as if
you were stepping back in time. But then, that step met
with the contemporary -- across from the cathedral from
the chalice that holds the holy water for christenings,
you found a hip gift shop featuring exquisite prayer
journals, city scape prints and postcards (i even picked
up a Beattles postcard for Dad from the shop), beautiful
religious art, British and Liverpool souvenirs, and an
extensive Christian book store. Above the bookstore in
the Cathedral’s alcove, was a contemporary styled
“mezzanine cafe and bar” (serving everything the name
suggested!)
Back on the mainfloor of the
Cathedral, the walls and different alcoves for specific
prayer offered modern art, sculpture, and works from
adults who were handicapped, children who had visited, and
inspirations to continue to work to end poverty and other
injustices. The collision of the old world and new were
everywhere--but it wasn’t tacky (okay, the gift shop’s
location wasn’t quite what i hoped). this was a place
that was open to visitors, yet continued to inspire and
convict through active ministry and simple decisions. A
service for widows of military personnel began in one
worship alcove as we looked around, complete with organ
music leading the worship. the audio presentations
included special and meaningful hymns. the dedications
throughout the cathedral were for acts of faith and
courage -- the art all testified to the presence and power
of God, not just in the art but in each accompanying
description. Challenges to end poverty and to work for
the Kingdom were present. The cafe even served fair trade
coffee and sugars -- one of the packets may have been
from Guyana, actually!
a trip to Liverpool would not be
complete without a trip to Anfield, home of the Liverpool
Football Club (soccer’s finest premiere team -- in fact,
we’re not allowed to utter the first syllable of any other
club while traveling with John)! unfortunately, we were
not able to view the actual field, but spent some time in
the club’s gift shop. we loved the club slogan, “you’ll
never walk alone.”
there’s more to come -- we’re about
to be picked up to go see the New Brighton Beach
lighthouse and area. Then, it’s off to Terry & Audrey’s
for supper (tea and “biscuits,” that’s cookies to us).
We’re continually blessed by the hospitality and the
inspiration we receive from these brothers and sisters.
Praise the Lord for this budding partnership.
Chester
(July 26, 2007)
Welcome to Chester! it
was begun as the Roman military outpost Deva (pronounced ‘Dewa’)
in the early 900’s! it’s protective wall continues to
surround the most of the city and gave us quite a vantage
point from which to view the history and contrasts of the
surrounding hills, river, and city within. as you enter
the city, you may be greeted by the Town Crier
representing the early English history in the midst of the
Tudor style buildings that line the streets with their
unique “row” style storefronts. you could find historic
shops offering you a piece of history, pricey (“posh”)
wedding cakes ($840!), jewelry, clothing stores of any
major retailer -- we chose to stop into the Apple store
before making our way to enjoy a cup of Starbucks
together!
near the center of the town is the
Chester Cathedral -- much like the contemporary Liverpool
Cathedral, this mammoth structure continues as a place of
ministry and worship today, as their entry way sign
(above) suggests. like the Liverpool Cathedral, the outer
courts were a wonderful collision of the past and present
-- the only difference is that this place was begun nearly
2000 years ago! ceiling joints had more decorative and
intricate thought than whole sanctuary in the U.S. unlike
the Liverpool cathedral, you had to pay as you entered to
view the beauty of the Cathedral (it can cost up to
$12/minute to keep the historic site together and
functioning, so we didn’t mind contributing a few pounds
for our long visit). contemporary art decorated the
historic alcoves at the entrance, Bose speakers were hung
throughout the seating area (but painted to blend in the
modern equipment with the columns), and on the outer
edges, television monitors hung to enable those who sit on
the side to have a view of those leading in worship. as
Zach and i marveled at the wonder, beauty and ministry
opportunities, he remarked about the amazing
difference--here’s a church that’s been here thousands of
years and is able to introduce changes for ministries
present, but in our towns we can’t get churches to make
little changes that have been here for only 40-60 years.
my favorite part of the Cathedral
were the mosaics. as you entered the sanctuary, to your
left along the wall were four mosaics, i’d say 20 feet x
20 feet. each of the four mosaics had a prominent Old
Testament figure in its center, flanked by two scenes on
each side representing their ministry or important lessons
from their lives. i was awestruck by the beauty, detail,
and choices of each relief of Abraham, Moses, David and
Elijah. my favorite scene was of Hur and Aaron lifting
Moses hands for intercession until Israel won the victory.
above each scene were smaller mosaics completing the
larger image with additional verses from their lives or
ministry. i stared at these and marveled far too long,
but not long enough.
after our day in Chester, we came
back for “tea” (evening meal) -- then off to Birkenhead
Church of God for Prayer Meeting. we had a wonderful time
of prayer for one another and the ministries of the
church. we then went to Pastor John & Lin’s manse
(parsonage) for “supper” (tea, coffee, ‘biscuits,’
crumpets’). we had a wonderful evening with Lyl’ & David,
Jan, and Terry & Aud’ (interesting how all the ladies
shorten their names, isn’t it). we shared pictures with
our journey while continuing to stuff ourselves and learn
of each other’s culture--and then we paid for our full
tummies as we laughed so hard for so long as our
interaction went on and on until midnight here. we were
grateful for the extra time with some of the church
family, and we were glad to have an opportunity to express
special thanks and appreciation to Pastor John, Lin,’
Terry, and Aud’ for all their hospitality and service to
us since our arrival.
tomorrow will be a lighter day
around Wirral, and we will be praying over the Egan road
community where the church is located, as well as
beginning to talk further about future ministry
initiatives we can plan on. the Lord has been good to us
with new friends, hope for ministry, great hospitality,
safety on all these excursions, and amazing weather --
today was the first day with any rain while we were out,
and that only lasted till we finished the Cathedral.
Glossary
(July 26, 2007)
all right class, you’ve no doubt
been inspired by our journeyin’ and you’re ready to come
see the UK, as well--that’s brilliant, but there are a few
things that you should know before you come. you’ve got
to learn the Queen’s English here, and you may need to
know a bit of Scouse if you’re planning to get along with
the Liverpoolians. so here are some free lessons on words
you may and may not know, in no particular order....
brilliant -
great, excellent, good job
lovely -
all good things and people are characterized as
lovely--predominant adjective when referring to our group,
so i hope it’s as good as it sounds :)
manse -
parsonage
araf
-
slow
or slowly (it’s the only Welsh word we could all
remember and say correctly -- see entry entitled “Wales”
for more on their unique language
brush
& shovel -
broom and dust pan
cheers -
your greeting for everything, “hello, thank you, how are
you, nice to meet you,...”
“tera, tera” -
not sure of the spelling, but it is used to say farewell
or goodbye
beaker -
a juice glass
to
let -
for rent (many nice places to rent around here, several
are aiming to stay)
football
or
footy
-
yes, we call it soccer, but as Pastor John says its a
game you play with your feet, not with your “socks”
posh
-
ritzy, snooty
queue
-
1) line; 2) congestion or traffic jam (you will see
signs for form a queue or “q” or on the motorway warning
you that “queues likely”
lad -
a boy (used more often than you think)
m’am
-
a sign of respect in the southern US can get you crazy
stares or nearly slapped -- it means “mum,” or mother
here and they don’t care where you come from if your
speaking to one who’s not your mum!
photy
-
picture/photograph
he’s
“fit” -
good looking
chuck
-
a chicken, but also (curiously) a term of endearment for
children or ladies
da’gear -
something really good (think, “the bomb”)
breky
-
breakfast
dinner -
what we call lunch
tea -
not just the drink (that’s drunk here whenever there’s a
chance) -- it also refers to your evening meal (helps
“tea time” make sense)
supper -
a time of fellowship later in the evening (after tea)
for tea and biscuits
chips
-
what we call french fries -- served everywhere along
with fish as you can see from the sign at the top of
this page -- every Chinese restaurant we’ve seen offers
Fish & Chips advertised on their signs before Chinese
cuisine!
pudding -
dessert, doesn’t have to be pudding -- we’ve had dessert
at every meal, every where (they know how to eat and how
to feed you in this country)
crisps -
what we call chips, usually in a “pouch,” what we call a
“bag”
bacon
-
not like our bacon, more like Canadian bacon (very
salted)
jacket potato
-
a baked potato
biscuits -
a cookie, sometimes a candy bar
“booty” -
not sure of the spelling here, but it means a sandwich
(coincidentally, butter is the primary spread for
sandwiches, ketchup contains much more vinegar here as
does the salad dressing)
crumpets -
we call them “English muffins” (ohhhh)
mate
- friend, pal, or even casual acquaintance that you are
addressing
toilet (sometimes,
the
“lou”) -
not just the commode, the bathroom -- we’ve appreciated
the honesty, but at the same time, we’ve been reminded
of the benefits in the distinction as Michele overheard
one lady tell another, “i believe they have some
drinking water in the toilet.”
:(
toilet round -
toilet paper roll
roundabout -
no four way stops here (see sign above for upcoming
roundabout options)-- everyone yields into the circular
roundabout and makes their way around to the appropriate
street they wish to continue on -- it gets really
confusing with connecting roundabouts
post
-
the post office (but they’re more like convenience
stores and mini marts -- you can buy insurance, buy
lottery cards, browse the card shop, buy birthday
balloons, pay local utility bills--you name it, the post
is a one stop service center!)
pub -
yes, it can be a bar, but more and more it is just a
restaurant. Terry lamented to me that there are very
few pubs anymore where you can just go in and have a
draft while talking with your mates -- the ones that are
primarily pubs, he said, are now blaring a jukebox in
the corner and there’s no use talkin’
motorway -
our interstate (so when you see M6, it’s like our
I65)--motorways are marked by blue signs, and A or B
roads with green signs, others with white signs --
street signs are usually not on a post, but on a
building or house. smaller roads are designated with A
and B, such that an A road would be similar to our US
highways (like US31) and B roads would be similar to our
state or county routes. anything else may be a mere “2
lane” road -- but their 2 lanes can range be similar to
ours, or as narrow as a single car width!
exits from the motorways are not set up with fuel
(“petrol”) stations and fast food chains competing for
your business -- instead, there are convenience exits
with one stop everything centers, almost mini malls in
nature. you can buy your gas, go into nice buffets, sit
in a bistro, waste money in an arcade, browse through
the book store, etc. all of this is under one roof with
no competing centers at the same exit.
quid
-
pound (our dollar, except our dollar is worth about 50
pence--wait, pence is cents to us -- so our dollar is
worth about half a pound. confused?--just be glad they
did away with the shilling system which was something
like 8 shillings to the pence and 12 pence to the
pound!!! anyway, the money comes in these coin
increments: 1 pence, 2 pence, 5 pence, 10 pence, 20
pence, 50 pence, 1 pound, 2 pounds. the paper notes
come in increments: 5 pounds, 10 pounds, 20 pounds, and
we’re told there’s a 50 pound note but we’ve not seen
anything greater than 20!
this is just the tip of the
iceberg folks, we’re learning and relearning the
meanings to terms constantly -- i’m sure we’ll have more
to add to this listing!
We invite you to come serve, love,
and pray with us. Contact
the 6th Avenue Ch’o’God office for more
information (256-355-0795) or e-mail (servelovepray@bellsouth.net).
~ pastor ken oldham <><
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